Grouchiness and sleepiness

[selenay]

Things I have learned this morning:

1. A spoon works better than a knife when making coffee
2. Milk works better than OJ in that coffee
3. When I need a second cup of coffee in a morning and I muck it up totally, that might be a signal that I need another nap
4. 75% of Stargate fans are insane
5. Most of the insane ones are on the AG list, but a few of them have spread onto other lists
6. If I see one more Orrymain post...

Actually, 6 may not be a lesson - more of a threat. Now that voting in the Fanfic Awards is over I'm feeling a little less inclined to be nice about the beagle-writing idiot. Even her non-fic posts are like nails scraping on a blackboard. Argh! I feel sorry for the poor newbie she directed toward her fic at the weekend. Mind you, said poor newbie was looking for fics 'where Jack and Daniel are married and working on the Stargate'. Paraphrasing slightly, but not as much as you'd think. I have no problem with people liking a certain kind of fic (even if it is so far detached from reality that I want to spork my eyes out), but I wish they wouldn't deluge lists with their views on fluffy-wuffy Daniel and Jackikins.

Yeah, I may be grouchy this morning. Just a tiny bit. And I've had my coffee and everything.

Comments

[selenay]

I don't know why it just hits me and brings out the worst in me ::sighs::

Even with my not reading flaming threads policy, I still have days when I get grumpy and bitchy and rant to Joy or post rant here about it. I just try not to say anything on list :-) I think the problem is that AG is supposed to be a nice, friendly place to be and yet it can sometimes be a completely bitchy, catty place that gets too involved with fandom politics.

I WAS about to ask if you had found a group that sounded good *g*

*g* I think pegasus_gate may be the first Atlantis slash list around. I was glad to see faces that I know (that are some of the more reasonable members of the SG fandom) and I'm hoping that p_g won't have the problems that AG does.

Sorry about your beta reader

S'okay. I understood why both of you said the things you did. I'm somewhat odd because I always try to see everyone's point of view in an argument and understand it, even if I disagree.

I think a lot of people objecting SGA discussion are as much about not wanting to watch it as not having it. Atlantis will start over here at the same time as SG (probably), so Brit sibs will have the same ep problems with it that they do on SG - they're just going to choose not to watch it. I'm attempting to be good and not d/l the eps before they air here (note the word 'attempt'), so it's probably going to be a couple of months before I can make an informed opinion on eps or the fanfic accuracy, but I'm quite happy to read about SGA. In fact, I don't see them as completely separate fandoms - I'd love to hear an argument stating that Star Trek: TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise are all entirely separate fandoms because that's essentially what I've seen people saying today about SG and SGA.

[ximeria.livejournal.com]

I'd love to hear an argument stating that Star Trek: TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise are all entirely separate fandoms because that's essentially what I've seen people saying today about SG and SGA.

See, THAT nailed what felt off for me. I don't see it as two different fandoms either...

[selenay]

They're involving different characters, sure, and different sections and/or timelines of the fandom universe, but they're not separate fandoms. I'd say that they're different threads of the same fandom. I can understand people who prefer different areas of fandom (I'd rather watch and discuss DS9 over Voyager, any day, because I frankly preferred DS9) and they don't want to have discussions of a show that they're not going to watch, but a lot of people really are trying to say that they're completely separate fandoms. As though Atlantis has no basis or connection to the SG universe and therefore it can't be discussed or even referred to.

How did fandom get so fragmented?

[ximeria.livejournal.com]

How did fandom get so fragmented?
Good question. I remember a friend of mine, who's been in fandom for so many years it's scary *g*, that when she started out, The Sentinel was 'in', and people who didn't have access to the show, either read transscripts or got tapes from other -- everyone was helpful and in ONE fandom (okay, that blew up later, but alas.).

I wouldn't be able to write SGA without the knowledge I get from SG1. The same laws of physics apply, a lot of the same technology, same military rules, though SGA is an international project. Hmmm, that's actually interesting. WOULD the same rules apply? It's a civilian led project? Well, I guess they do... Just ignore me, the plot bunnies are going crazy. Besides, so far from home? Who cares about Don't Ask, Don't Tell?

And you're not the only one who prefered DS9 *g* -- I hadn't checked, but yeah, you're European like me -- DS9 WAS more popular over here. I liked that it was intelligent in a lot of the plots.

[selenay]

everyone was helpful and in ONE fandom (okay, that blew up later, but alas.

I think some fandoms start out that way and I can only dream about one day finding one ::sigh:: I like the idea of everyone getting along, helping each other and generally being friendly. The community aspect is part of what keeps me in fandom, but the fandom politics aspect makes me tear my hair out sometimes.

I wouldn't be able to write SGA without the knowledge I get from SG1.

Ditto. I also think that there are going to be a lot S8 SG fics that are going to at least have to acknowledge the existance of SGA. The differences between the two shows are hopefully going to make the SGA fic interesting - we can probably do things and have situations that we simply couldn't do in SG. I can see a rash of bad 'everyone is gay and out' fics appearing when people realise this, although I'm hoping that the new freedom is going to be used responsibly and give us some new, original ideas in fanfic.

I liked that it was intelligent in a lot of the plots.

Ditto *g* I also liked that something that happened in one episode actually affected or was picked in a following episode. The term 'space opera' seems to be a dirty phrase for a lot of sci-fi fans, but it was that kind of stuff that made me love DS9 and B5. They could be intelligent and interesting because they were allowed to recognise events from previous episodes and have moral dilemmas that didn't revolve around the Prime Directive.